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Post by berlinpoe on Sept 1, 2006 11:47:31 GMT -5
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Post by davidaccampo on Sept 1, 2006 13:50:53 GMT -5
I like these characters, and your style. I'll have to look at the Mute Asylum pages in more depth. The only thing I noticed on my first glance was that the use of various different fonts and balloons styles is a bit distracting. I understand that the captions should be different from the word balloons, but I saw a couple different balloons, and I tend to think that stuff needs to remain fairly limited. But I'll give you more detailed thoughts soon.
Dave
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Post by berlinpoe on Sept 3, 2006 17:13:34 GMT -5
Here is the full bodied pics of the sisters:  |
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Post by nolan on Sept 3, 2006 18:12:41 GMT -5
Cool.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 3, 2006 22:09:06 GMT -5
I didn't get that these were supposed to be women until I saw the last picture. They look EXTREMELY manly and not feminine at all. Large, bulky hands, thick eyebrows, big, bulbous noses and greyish skintones.
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Post by vanessa on Sept 3, 2006 22:10:48 GMT -5
Unless of course, I missed the point, and they're supposed to be guys in drag. Then it makes perfect sense.
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Post by davidaccampo on Sept 3, 2006 22:57:32 GMT -5
Unless of course, I missed the point, and they're supposed to be guys in drag. Then it makes perfect sense. That would totally rule, actually. There aren't enough drag comics out there.  |
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Post by berlinpoe on Sept 4, 2006 7:38:33 GMT -5
They're girls.
Get over it.
You act like it's more original to make a drag comic, but you know the truth, it's more original to show people without making them look perfect, or "cool"...besides I posted this because IT MY FIRST PHOTOSHOP COLORING! Get it? I want color comments...
But, since no was "distracted" by the color I can assume I was successful...
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Post by vanessa on Sept 4, 2006 16:41:22 GMT -5
Drawing women to look like men to be original, doesn't make it good. It just looks like you don't know how to draw women.
As for colour, it's pretty flat and the grey skin tones don't look that great.
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Post by nolan on Sept 4, 2006 19:51:53 GMT -5
Yeesh, I thought it was pret6ty cool.
I think if we saw some sequentials, wed have a better idea they were girls (honestly, though, we've all seen people of ambiguous gender out there).
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Post by berlinpoe on Sept 4, 2006 21:12:17 GMT -5
I'm "drawin women to look like men" Ass. I can draw women, get yer facts straight 'fore you go blasting someone online. And the colors are suppose to be flat, jerk.
Forum arguement....over.
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Post by davidaccampo on Sept 4, 2006 21:36:46 GMT -5
I'm "drawin women to look like men" Ass. I can draw women, get yer facts straight 'fore you go blasting someone online. And the colors are suppose to be flat, jerk. Forum arguement....over. Whoa, what the hell happened? I personally see Vanessa point that they seemed ambiguous. Completely separate from that, the mention of drag queens seemed like an interesting lead for a comic -- something we don't see much of. I don't think anyone was suggesting that you make them drag queens...it was just a little sidebar. Happens on forums. Honestly, if you can't take the criticism over the fact that they seemed a little ambiguous, then I wouldn't suggest posting them on a forum like this. For the record: I liked the colors just fine. I liked the characters. I do agree with Vanessa that aside from the title, it's a bit hard to tell if they're women. Now, is that a reason to change the drawings? Maybe. Depends what you're trying to get across. It's just something you should consider as you enter into a sequential stage with these characters (assuming that's the plan). |
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Post by berlinpoe on Sept 4, 2006 22:12:40 GMT -5
Okay, man. Sorry I wasn't cool.
I just rather don't like "criticism" that feels like the hurling of an insult. I was misunderstood in my post and I don't much care for that. I went round and round at the void city forum dealing with such mean hearted "critiques" and I'll not have it here.
If it can't be expressed with some kind of constructive air, then it cannot be expressed at all.
And I still contend that they do not look like drag queens...so I'm including in this post a back story...please read and ask yourselves if they look the part.
At some point, during the late nineteen seventies, there were two girls rebeling against the system. They did drugs, went to punk rock shows and generally were cool. Cool doesn't pay the bills, these two girls had amounted. Long since dropped out of school the girls became prostitutes.
In the early eighties, despite the use of both a protection and birth control they both became pregnant. It was by the same man, who had bought their services one night. Who was that man? Many might have pointed the finger at Lucifer himself. Though he strongly denies this. There are many strange beings that live in and around the Island of Midland and no one is really sure who he was.
It didn't matter to the girls. They had found their light. After years of being hookers and loosing themselves more and more everyday, these children gave them something amazing to them: hope. So they ran, hiding from the mod's pimps until...
Eight monthes, five days and four hours into a new day the girls had the babies. They were born, dead and unnarturally cold. The girls, wrapped the two half sisters in a blanket and placed the dead hope in a dumpster. They walked into the street, were the mob's bag man had tracked them down. The girls were raped and murdered, in the name of mob business.
Meanwhile, Thanatos the archangel of death and Caine who's brother Able was killed by his hands so many thousand years ago which cursed him to walk eternally [more on them some other day] found the cold dead offerings in the dumpster. When pressed about how he knew to look for them, Thanatos replied, "I felt something...and it was warm." He took the babies and gave them life. Barrowing pieces of dead souls, abortions, suicides, stillborn children, and the like and gave the children life.
They gave them proper names: C.C. short for Credit Card and Loan. If not proper names, at least appropriate. The two other worldly beings raised the undead girls. Without having any one complete soul, but many, many, pieces of souls the girls were vastly quick learners and clever fighters. By age eleven they were ready to leave Midland to search out the West Coast Hooker Killer. That is another story, though.
They found that they would not age past their prime. And will remain in their twenties until which time the souls must be returned. Not even the Angel of Death knows when his daughters will die.So in that regaurd he is like every other father. Thanatos does wonder if the souls will escape one by one or all at once. Or if it will be the same in both girls. He doesn't worry, for know they offer him and Caine something that nothing else on this earth has for them: a reason to really, and honestly smile.
Well?...
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Post by davidaccampo on Sept 5, 2006 1:57:22 GMT -5
Okay, cool.
Just to make sure I'm being totally clear -- I never thought they looked like drag queens, but I did think they were slightly androgynous. I was just spinning off of Vanessa's comment, and it was really meant to be its own idea -- not suggesting anything for you.
That said, let's take a look at what you've got...
The mythology you've created is very unique, if a little complicated. I wonder if it HAS to be that complicated, or if this is just a way of ensuring it's individuality...do you know what I mean? The complex series of events must serve the story and characters and not just be there as a show piece.
However, I'm intrigued as to how Thanatos and Cain will be handled, as well as why the two of them hang out together, raising these girls. I would hope to see their motivation somewhere down the line, shown through character and not just exposition.
(sidebar: OK, I know you didn't like the drag queen thing, but can I just say that I just have this weird thought in my head now of Cain and Thanatos as an undead version of the gay parents in La Cage aux Folles -- bwahahaha...that would be GREAT...ok, sorry back to your story)
So, you've definitely got good room for backstory built into your set-up.
I'm not sure why they'd piece together other souls...you'll probably have an explanation for that, but it seems odd that abortions and stillborn babies would only give you pieces of souls...why not a whole soul?
Credit Card and Loan are interesting names, but beyond that, I'm not yet sure WHO they are. Your whole set-up gives me a lot of plot points from the past, but I can't tell what kind of stories you want to tell. Who are these girls? What do they do? What's their outlook on life? How do they differ from one another?
What you've got here is an interesting set-up, but if I were a publisher, I'd be expecting to see the story you plan to tell with these sisters. So that's what I'd really be interested to see.
Dave
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Post by berlinpoe on Sept 5, 2006 7:51:03 GMT -5
Well, David.
Thanatos and Caine are their own characters with their own thing. Thanatos is the angel of death and Caine is the cursed one. He got bored around Christ's Death and started following Than around.
There is A LOT of Caine and Thanatos stories, but it's not about them. Their part in this is to created them and raise them. As for stories involving them, I'm still working on it.
Ya'see these two charaters are a part of a massive comic I wrote and failed called I-Land. Instead of writing a book that has all of these differant characters in it. I'm writing books about the world I created and have them cross over...
Who are some of those characters?
Berlin Poe: Hell Saint of Madness
Danny the Leper
Lucifer
Lillith the first woman and Goddess of the Night
The Still Born Sisters
The Bag Lady
Thanatos and Caine
The Sprocket Holes featuring Jubei and Helios
Azheal the Demon of Lust
Mort and the other Pest devils
God...maybe?
Hellen Keller the Mystic Seer
Hitler for President
And so on...most of those character up there aren't main characters, but you get the idea. It's an even bigger world than this. With remixed biblical and historical referances.
See?
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