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Post by jayvee on Jun 24, 2006 21:29:53 GMT -5
Which character or characters have the best psychology in comic books--that is, who has the best motivation, most realistic follow-up on said motivation, who seems more human in their actions than other comic characters?
My list (which I'll explain later):
1 (tie): Batman 1 (tie): Spider-Man 3: Spawn
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Post by zechs on Jun 24, 2006 22:24:42 GMT -5
No questions or quarrels from me on that list but also include Magneto. ;D
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Post by nolan on Jun 25, 2006 1:50:36 GMT -5
No questions or quarrels from me on that list but also include Magneto. ;D Honestly, I have issues with the whole Magneto/Xavier opposition. And if I were a mutant, I'd absolutely go with Magneto. Xavier is a pathetic little Uncle Tom who has his main goal as not being exterminated. At least Magneto wants his voice heard.
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Post by nolan on Jul 1, 2006 4:05:11 GMT -5
Batman has a realistic psychology.
Spider Man has a realistic one. But I think that Spidey's psychology got better as better creators took over the character and worked with it.
Okay, lets take this in the other direction. Who has the silliest one?
I'll go with Barry Allen. He had no real motivation to become a superhero.
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Post by jayvee on Jul 1, 2006 8:18:08 GMT -5
Silliest psychology, huh...? Hmmmm.
What's Hal Jordan's story?
Because, as far as I can remember, all he did was get a ring and start doing hero stuff.
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Post by davidaccampo on Jul 1, 2006 10:41:43 GMT -5
Not a huge fan of the character, but Punisher's psychology seems like a fairly streamlined version of Batman. Batman you still have to go through the rigamarole of Bruce wanting Justice rather than simple revenge.
For silly -- man, you guys are right...pretty much any of that group of Silver Age heroes -- was there any real motivation for Flash, GL, or Atom?
Then again, what does that say about us now? These were characters who were heroes because they could be (Supman psychology), rather than being borne out of tragedy. Do we simply not believe that someone would be a hero without some kind of blunt motivator like the death of a loved one?
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Post by nolan on Jul 1, 2006 16:13:22 GMT -5
Silliest psychology, huh...? Hmmmm. What's Hal Jordan's story? Because, as far as I can remember, all he did was get a ring and start doing hero stuff. At least Hal Jordan had some halfway sensible explanation. Barry Allen jsut seemed like a guy who started doing it for fun. And yeah, Silver Age characters (DC mostly) had motivations that were absolutely absurd even for one dimensional cahracters. I mean we all really need to credit Stan Lee for injecting personality in to comic characters at that time.
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Post by geneticfreak on Jul 3, 2006 5:53:04 GMT -5
I actually like the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko stories and psychology for Spiderman. Peter Parker was an asshole then. Even if he learned the "with great power..." thingy, he was still an asshole. Dare you people to re-read it again and tell me he's not an asshole.
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Post by nolan on Jul 3, 2006 17:55:47 GMT -5
Most superheroes at that time were assholes.
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Post by rachelevil on Jul 5, 2006 0:09:19 GMT -5
Avoiding obvious choices (like Enid Coleslaw or Francine Peters...)
Animal Man. He has a wife and children who he loves, and wants to provide for. He has these animal powers. So, he tries to get some fame and some money by being a superhero. His animal powers connect him to all the animals on the earth, and he understands the horrible things being done by humans. So, he works with animal-rights organizations. He has his powers, his beliefs and passions, and he generally wants to be a good guy. Mostly, he's just a family man. A good father and a loving husband. In other words, just a person.
John Constantine. He's just this guy, y'know? Sure he knows enough about magic to get by, and more than enough about bullshitting to get out of tough situations, but overall he just seems like a regular guy. Not even really a good guy, but he does sometimes try. Not a hero, not a villain... just a bloke who knows a thing or two and tries to get by on that (and has a masochistic addiction to the "weird shit" side, but I've known a few people like that).
Jessica Jones. She has powers. She tried being a hero ('cuz everybody knows that's what one does). She sucked at it. So, she gets a job like any normal person, makes a living, and tries not to get tied up in the whole spandex mess.
I dunno. Anyone who goes on about having a mission, or a crusade, or a responsibility, for whatever reason, strikes me as a bit bullshit in real life or in fiction. But in fiction, I'll put up with it, at least.
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Post by rachelevil on Jul 5, 2006 0:15:21 GMT -5
At least Hal Jordan had some halfway sensible explanation. Barry Allen jsut seemed like a guy who started doing it for fun. I dunno. Doing something for kicks seems like a sensible enough explanation to me.
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Post by rachelevil on Jul 5, 2006 0:20:44 GMT -5
Okay, lets take this in the other direction. Who has the silliest one? Huntress. I love her to death, but... "My father, a mobster, was killed by other mobsters. Thus, I shall dress funny and shoot people with a crossbow."
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Post by nolan on Jul 5, 2006 3:33:25 GMT -5
There are a lot of bad ones.
Honestly, the Fantastic Four one strikes me as silly. And I am reading this as it would stand if the original origin were true today (I think its been tweaked a bit).
Here I am as one of the most brilliant scientists in the world.
And I'm going up in space to look at some cosmic radiation in a plane I designed that may or may not have sufficient shielding.
And my crew consists of:
1. My best friend who was a fighter pilot. Is he an astronaut? Who bloody cares? 2. My girlfriend who has no scientific training. 3. My girlfriend's 18 year old brother. Well...thats how old I thought he was originally, I think in the movie they made him 24-25ish.
Please sir, can I have a billion dollars for this?
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Post by dragonaces on Jul 5, 2006 9:05:33 GMT -5
Anyone else think the "Super Soldier" serum is anything short of anabolic steroids and HGH?
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Post by jayvee on Jul 5, 2006 15:13:30 GMT -5
Considering the fact that Cap's body started producing whatever it produces to make him super human on its own after undergoing the process and he doesn't have to keep taking it for the effects to stay... Then, no. Not really.
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