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Post by jayvee on Jun 24, 2006 21:27:50 GMT -5
I'm a liberal. That makes me a Democrat because there's no way in Hell a third party's ever gonna make a difference in a national election and a vote for them is a vote wasted (IMO). I figure, most people on this board will be liberals, too, given the artistic nature involved in our particular medium. Just curious.
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Post by nolan on Jun 25, 2006 2:11:16 GMT -5
Democrats.
Lesser of two evils but still not willing to tackle real issues.
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Post by jayvee on Jun 25, 2006 3:57:14 GMT -5
People who tackle real issues never get elected.
There's too many lobby groups pounding their war drums.
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Post by nolan on Jun 25, 2006 13:19:57 GMT -5
People who tackle real issues never get elected. There's too many lobby groups pounding their war drums. And thats why were the only developed country in the world without universal health care. Of course god forbid a government would actually take care of its citizens. I mean citizens are for putting in to an army and sending over to invade countries on spurious grounds.
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Post by jayvee on Jun 25, 2006 14:00:55 GMT -5
In order for the government to pay for its people, its people have to pay for the government.
That's where the sticking point is.
That and the fact that our scaled tax system is unfairly kind to the wealthy.
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Post by nolan on Jun 25, 2006 15:13:21 GMT -5
In order for the government to pay for its people, its people have to pay for the government. That's where the sticking point is. That and the fact that our scaled tax system is unfairly kind to the wealthy. And countries like Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands and Denmark have shown people that its possible to have both an effective safety net of social welfare programs and a strong economy. I've said this on Talk@ before but I'm going to say it here. The whole Christ paralell for Superman was something that came along later to eviscerate the potential socialist content from the character (and, really to leave him a political eunuch). Well, that and Christians in America seem so hysterically paranoid about anything in pop culture that Christian parallels need to be drawn to make it safe. Which is just ridiculous because there's no need for that, Jesus didn't go around to only the places where he thought he'd be safe. Because, if you look at the character throughout his many incarnations, the only real political ideology that makes any real sense is the Scandanavian centre-left kind of socialism. With just about any other political view, you get someone who ends up becoming a danger to the world with that kind of power.
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Post by dragonaces on Jul 5, 2006 12:06:57 GMT -5
Having a family full of members in the military, I side mostly with Republicans because they take care of the military realizing that our nation was built on the premise that we needed a war to get us started. I don't condone senseless violence but we had the stones to fight against a world power to gain our freedom why not assist those who cannot fend for themselves.
Someday...we will have found ourselves a valuable ally when we need assistance. Currently our two biggest ally's are nations that we beat the crap out of (i.e.: England, Japan). I just wish someone would give the Republican party a calculator and explain to them the basic principles of Economics.
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Post by nolan on Jul 5, 2006 23:19:08 GMT -5
Having a family full of members in the military, I side mostly with Republicans because they take care of the military realizing that our nation was built on the premise that we needed a war to get us started. I don't condone senseless violence but we had the stones to fight against a world power to gain our freedom why not assist those who cannot fend for themselves. Someday...we will have found ourselves a valuable ally when we need assistance. Currently our two biggest ally's are nations that we beat the crap out of (i.e.: England, Japan). I just wish someone would give the Republican party a calculator and explain to them the basic principles of Economics. By "war" you mean "insurgency" right? The entire hsitory of wars in America consists of wars between elites. Its a rich mans war and a poor man's right. Or give the Republicans a conscience, that would help too.
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Post by dragonaces on Jul 6, 2006 8:20:43 GMT -5
When we started out we were anything BUT elite. I wouldn't consider the North and South elite either as we were a country divided. Vietnam...they weren't anything near elite, if anything they were a pathetic nation with nearly nothing for resources.
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Post by nolan on Jul 6, 2006 14:06:42 GMT -5
When we started out we were anything BUT elite. I wouldn't consider the North and South elite either as we were a country divided. Vietnam...they weren't anything near elite, if anything they were a pathetic nation with nearly nothing for resources. Actually, the entire war started as an attempt to get to the negotiation table for bargaining for a better position. It was only later that it became about making a new nation. And a lot of the strategy of the Revolution early on was focused on this, particularly the British. Howard Zinn has an entire chapter in A People's History of America on the subject of the Civil War being a war of elites.
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Post by yilurk on Jul 16, 2006 14:19:52 GMT -5
Nolan, I'm new and hope you don't mind if I jump in. This is a question I'm really interested in and you all seem really knowledgeable. Is it fair to assume most superhero readers are conservative? I'm the Sandman liberal type so I don't know. I was watching a history of comics and I was wondering if the kind of rah rah patriotism that created a lot of these characters in reaction to Hitler contributes to low sales right now? I know the boom and video games are considered the main causes right? I was just wondering if politics might be another contributing factor and possibly comics doesn't appeal to the demographic with the descretionary spending capital for that reason? Or maybe not, I just looked at this... www.proletariatcomics.com/working/MiscellaneousWriting/Marketing%20Study%20-%20April%2006.htmHope it's ok to link to it.
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Post by nolan on Jul 16, 2006 17:48:42 GMT -5
Nolan, I'm new and hope you don't mind if I jump in. This is a question I'm really interested in and you all seem really knowledgeable. Is it fair to assume most superhero readers are conservative? I'm the Sandman liberal type so I don't know. I was watching a history of comics and I was wondering if the kind of rah rah patriotism that created a lot of these characters in reaction to Hitler contributes to low sales right now? I know the boom and video games are considered the main causes right? I was just wondering if politics might be another contributing factor and possibly comics doesn't appeal to the demographic with the descretionary spending capital for that reason? Or maybe not, I just looked at this... www.proletariatcomics.com/working/MiscellaneousWriting/Marketing%20Study%20-%20April%2006.htmI dont know if thats the case. I've seen a pretty significant political diversity among comic fans. At the same time, that encourages publishers to play it way too safe with political issues. Stuff like Ultimates gets flak all the time when it gets in to politics. Hope it's ok to link to it.
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Post by davidaccampo on Jul 17, 2006 2:13:55 GMT -5
Is it fair to assume most superhero readers are conservative? Slightly off topic anecdote: I was once at a panel at a convention -- I can't remember if it was DC or Marvel or what, but I remember that Mark Waid and Kurt Busiek were both on the panel. Anyway, it came time for question and answer, and some from the back asked (paraphrased from dim memory: "Do you think that super-hero comics reinforce conservative attitudes and about crime and punishment?" The questioner was very pleased with his question, you could tell. Funny thing was, Busiek and Waid just looked at each other and laughed. Waid countered that many of the Marvel books were filled with former villains who had reformed -- social reform being a cornerstone of liberal politics, of course. "You know I write a team book filled with reformed villains, right?" asked Busiek. So while Golden Age heroes may have benefitted from certain conservative attitudes, the more liberal attitudes have been there for a looong time. Not to mention that Superman himself was a crusader against social injustice when he got his start. I wouldn't have called the early Superman stories "conservative."
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Post by yilurk on Jul 17, 2006 9:49:07 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I was as 'pleased' with my question as you were with your answer.
Like I said, I'm not familiar enough with the history. I'd thought the liberal bent came with the sixties and seventies and reading posts by superhero fans on different boards I've been surprised by the number of conservatives there. Which is why I asked the question. Get over yourself.
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Post by davidaccampo on Jul 17, 2006 12:30:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure if I was as 'pleased' with my question as you were with your answer. Like I said, I'm not familiar enough with the history. I'd thought the liberal bent came with the sixties and seventies and reading posts by superhero fans on different boards I've been surprised by the number of conservatives there. Which is why I asked the question. Get over yourself. Umm -- I think you misunderstood. I was relating a scene I had witnessed at a comic convention. In it, a person in the AUDIENCE asked a question about conservatives. That person seemed very pleased with his question. THAT's what I was referring to. I think that questioner was a little too smug and wasn't expecting Waid and Busiek to "take the wind out of his sails" with their answer. Your question was a fine one -- I had no problem with it. It reminded me of that anecdote, which I thought would shed light on your question. Peace out, Dave
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